She does have a point. There’s a reason people started creating myths and religions, and believing in them. What Jon just did is far worse than revealing to a kid that Santa Clause does not exist…
Santa Christ does exist, though ! Check YouTube, you’ll see ! :p
“Santa Christ does exist, though ! Check YouTube, you’ll see ! :p”
HaHaHa. YouTube has made me a believer in many things.
And I can relate to Jon. I’ve tried to learn over the years to shut my big know-it-all mouth. Even if you’re right people sometimes don’t want or need to hear it.
Something like this was touched in Star Craft 2, Legacy of the void.
The Khalaa allowed the preserver Rohana to access every thought and emotion of every protoss that ever lived like Eidetic Memory. But they had to cut that connection for important reasons.
She remarked that “my account of history may now be flawed” to wich Artanis remarked: “Perhaps that is how our history should be viewed after all … without certainty. Only seen through the era one lives in.”
Cool. I have this game but haven’t got around to playing it yet. I’ll have to check it out. Too much time spent on Endstone and not enough gaming!
And as a historian (I have a degree to prove it 😉 ) I’d have to agree that any account of history in inherently biased and rooted in the era in which it was written. Many an academic career has been made or broken on that premise.
Did not have the game myself.
There is this new trend to make “gameplay movies”, that include every cutscene and (depending on the Director) even the in-mission voiceovers.
LoV only takes about 3.5 hours this way.
Even though I’m female, I actually disagree with Kyri and agree with Jon. History is always colored by those that tell it, but at the same time, to allow a lie or falsehood to stand, you yourself are lying. Most belief systems consider lying a bad thing, so what do you do?
If you go that route, isn’t religion a lie in and or itself, no matter which one ? Because, if you think about it, nobody has been “there” and back to testify, thus all of it is suppositions and legends, and yet is always presented as absolute truth. How can something unverifiable be absolute truth ?
Thus, that’s where faith comes in. And with faith comes the concept of sacred stuff. In the end, both Kyri and Jon and right, and it has nothing to do with gender. Yes, if you know something to be true, it’s good not to keep blinding yourself with earlier lies, but at the same time you have to keep an eye wether other are ready to accept your truth or not. And with something as big as “History is a lie and has been rewritten” and “All gods you pray never were gods to begin with”, nobody’s ready to accept your truth.
Best thing Jon can do about it is write down his knowledge about the modern world, make it so it does not shock too much people’s belief of his time, and keep it an obscure book to be discovered by people from a distant future, hoping they will have a more open mindset than people of his era. He could even write more than one copy of his book and spread them.
As an anthropologist, I have to take a mild exception to this. Religion might be not a hard truth, but as a subjective truth telling people that they are wrong only annoys and causes them to dig in their heels.
As long as those beliefs don’t cause a person to go out and murder people, there really is no point in disputing the dogma of the religion, especially if the person hasn’t initiated a conversation comparing religions.
Jon writing a book to pass on the knowledge isn’t a bad idea at all, finding a way to start a university for stoners wouldn’t hurt either.
Great discussion, folks! 🙂 I have no real opinion on the matter. The characters are who they are and they react organically to their world-view – Jon is modern and rational while Kyri is animistic and governed by instinct. However, I will say that this is probably not the first time an argument like this has happened between them. A subtext to the scene is also that Jon has changed. Kyri might not be comfortable with that….
And Jon writing a book or starting a university are great ideas. I might “borrow” them sometime later if you don’t mind. 🙂
“As long as those beliefs don’t cause a person to go out and murder people, there really is no point in disputing the dogma of the religion[…]”
I recently had the need to sum up personal liberty in one sentence. What I came out at was:
“You are allowed to life however you like, as long as you do not negatively interfere with the wellbeing or freedom of another person.”
She does have a point. There’s a reason people started creating myths and religions, and believing in them. What Jon just did is far worse than revealing to a kid that Santa Clause does not exist…
Santa Christ does exist, though ! Check YouTube, you’ll see ! :p
“Santa Christ does exist, though ! Check YouTube, you’ll see ! :p”
HaHaHa. YouTube has made me a believer in many things.
And I can relate to Jon. I’ve tried to learn over the years to shut my big know-it-all mouth. Even if you’re right people sometimes don’t want or need to hear it.
Something like this was touched in Star Craft 2, Legacy of the void.
The Khalaa allowed the preserver Rohana to access every thought and emotion of every protoss that ever lived like Eidetic Memory. But they had to cut that connection for important reasons.
She remarked that “my account of history may now be flawed” to wich Artanis remarked: “Perhaps that is how our history should be viewed after all … without certainty. Only seen through the era one lives in.”
Cool. I have this game but haven’t got around to playing it yet. I’ll have to check it out. Too much time spent on Endstone and not enough gaming!
And as a historian (I have a degree to prove it 😉 ) I’d have to agree that any account of history in inherently biased and rooted in the era in which it was written. Many an academic career has been made or broken on that premise.
Did not have the game myself.
There is this new trend to make “gameplay movies”, that include every cutscene and (depending on the Director) even the in-mission voiceovers.
LoV only takes about 3.5 hours this way.
Even though I’m female, I actually disagree with Kyri and agree with Jon. History is always colored by those that tell it, but at the same time, to allow a lie or falsehood to stand, you yourself are lying. Most belief systems consider lying a bad thing, so what do you do?
If you go that route, isn’t religion a lie in and or itself, no matter which one ? Because, if you think about it, nobody has been “there” and back to testify, thus all of it is suppositions and legends, and yet is always presented as absolute truth. How can something unverifiable be absolute truth ?
Thus, that’s where faith comes in. And with faith comes the concept of sacred stuff. In the end, both Kyri and Jon and right, and it has nothing to do with gender. Yes, if you know something to be true, it’s good not to keep blinding yourself with earlier lies, but at the same time you have to keep an eye wether other are ready to accept your truth or not. And with something as big as “History is a lie and has been rewritten” and “All gods you pray never were gods to begin with”, nobody’s ready to accept your truth.
Best thing Jon can do about it is write down his knowledge about the modern world, make it so it does not shock too much people’s belief of his time, and keep it an obscure book to be discovered by people from a distant future, hoping they will have a more open mindset than people of his era. He could even write more than one copy of his book and spread them.
As an anthropologist, I have to take a mild exception to this. Religion might be not a hard truth, but as a subjective truth telling people that they are wrong only annoys and causes them to dig in their heels.
As long as those beliefs don’t cause a person to go out and murder people, there really is no point in disputing the dogma of the religion, especially if the person hasn’t initiated a conversation comparing religions.
Jon writing a book to pass on the knowledge isn’t a bad idea at all, finding a way to start a university for stoners wouldn’t hurt either.
Great discussion, folks! 🙂 I have no real opinion on the matter. The characters are who they are and they react organically to their world-view – Jon is modern and rational while Kyri is animistic and governed by instinct. However, I will say that this is probably not the first time an argument like this has happened between them. A subtext to the scene is also that Jon has changed. Kyri might not be comfortable with that….
And Jon writing a book or starting a university are great ideas. I might “borrow” them sometime later if you don’t mind. 🙂
“As long as those beliefs don’t cause a person to go out and murder people, there really is no point in disputing the dogma of the religion[…]”
I recently had the need to sum up personal liberty in one sentence. What I came out at was:
“You are allowed to life however you like, as long as you do not negatively interfere with the wellbeing or freedom of another person.”